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Hy Peoples, what do you think.. or how can you did ?

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Hy Peoples,

i have a lil problem and want know, what do you think about and maybe whant do against some thing..

it is not because of me.. it is Just because a man was excluded because its
because apparently someone thought that it would be a trublemaker.
Therefore, from the very outset, he was not given the same chance as any other to be a Member of OpenMandriva.


Decide by self !


the first post from Rafa (past it in code to have a smaller Post):

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Hello blackcrack,

related to your membership there has been some internal discussions, due
to the fact some people had two main concerns.

First it seems that you have quite a reputation of "trouble maker" by
criticizing a lot, sometimes having rather long rants, often hard to
understand, and sometimes aggressive.

People has also the concerns that you have not really contributed until
now. However, you took part in some contribution by translating blog
articles and constitution in english.

For my part, I'd like to have you in the association, and there are
other people that would also like it I guess.  I'd like to have you
especially if you really want to help and contribute, contributing is
one of the main condition for being a member.

As we want to be open at the same time, give every one its chance, a new
rule for next members will be added, so that people need to have at
least 6 month of pre-membership before being able to become a full
members or not accepted because not fulfilling the conditions. It will
help us know also people wanting to really be part of the association.

If you're still interested, please tell, so that we'll be able to to add
you in the six-month pre-membership.

-- Best regards, meilleures salutations Raphaël Jadot 
I told him, i want be a Member and not a Pre or a half Frend of Openmandriva.
and get different my explanation ... why.

the next letter was to 4 Persons who i known as Frend of Open mandriva who i had
tell why i want be a Member and why it is not correct to take a Premember or
i dont want to be a premember or on a shootinglist or something..
no, i want the same chance as everyone else !

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-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: 	Re: Membership
Datum: 	Sat, 16 Feb 2013 09:47:46 +0000
Von: 	João Azevedo Patrício <joao.patricio@xxxxx>
An: 	Blackcrack <blackcrack@blackysgate.de>


Hi blacky

I guess there are something you missunderstood

You are candidate for full member, not half member but have to wait for membership committee response. The council in the days before meeting had resigned and could not pronounce. That's why I asked if you received an email confirming your membership from council.

I like to have you here as member, please don't misunderstood, is nothing personal, everybody is trying to keep up with the statuses.

The best
João


Blackcrack <blackcrack@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    Hy,

    1. from Rafael :

    If you're still interested, please tell, so that we'll be able to to add
    you in the six-month pre-membership.

    i be a frend of Mandriva MandrivaLinux Openmandirva and MandrivaSA

    i be a frend or i be not a frend .. it is give black or white

    i want be a member of Mandriva and not a "halffrend" of mandriva.

    i was yesterday of the Meeting on 15.2. on Freenode #Openmandriva
    and hav wait for more as 2 howers for starting the meeding 
    and at ~ 16:30 UTC i have call joao, hey, the meeting, 
    when it is starting ... Joao tells me.. if i did not become 
    a letter to have it in an other channel ? All members have become it. 
    Wohh.. "not a member" shooting me around the brain .. and 
    i was it more as 2 month with my heart and does on this .... 
    ...no, let me sleep about .. but i cant sleep ag goes to my 
    Computer and have delete my mail on the mailinglist.. 
    so far i be out now ... hey sorry, i do what i can to 
    bring my work and knowing in the Openmandriva ad at last..
    "hey you to agressive and you be a known as trublemaker" ass kickkkkk
    "we take only the peoples who be silence and let make all of it with they are"
    "who not tell any what and don't say any what" 

    Or did i anything not understand ?

    Hey Sorry, were was there who had bring in the helping 
    hand (and al what i can) with it based on what ! On my i like or maybe love 
    Mandriva with hearth and hand, i want stay for mandriva with my does
    and i be not a lil' bit of a frend or a frend of test on Mandriva, 
    no, i be a Frend of Mandriva !
    So i don't take a Pre - Member.. i take a Member ..

    Maybe show this now as trubemaking but maybe show this as other thing on.
    I speak you in clean text or open words to be it is in my opinion 
    not correct !
    Hey, we don't need a "Pre-Member"-thing, we are all pissed on if a Member
    speak like Alessandro to us and it is need only a more decision
     of the members in some case to kick out some peoples on the next meeting..
    a pre-member-thing it is not need.. who had speak it on and bring it on it, 
    a pre-member-thing ? ........ who ??

    It is not a thing to have Scare for new Members, it is a thing to hold all 
    in one hands on the council ! And not on the members. The Members 
    should decide and not a council .. 
    it is like the Farm of Animals the Pigs live in the House !As Compared in picture..

    ......
    So, at last i stay in front of closed doors on the meeting and was 
    really angry about the course of it all include member or not member.

    so i have now unsubscribe the mailinglist and be out so far .
    And tell's you, there it is going something wrong ..

    I have maybe loud words and a special aggressiveness, 
    but only if something not correct or goes wrong and 
    it want not believe, hear or something. 
    I'm just so, if reasons behind it. For Mandriva and not against it !

    So, i wish you are all the best and to be grow up Mandriva very !

    best regards
    you'r
    Blacky



    Am 15.02.2013 09:32, schrieb João Azevedo Patrício:
>     Hello Blackcrack,
>
>     Before all I would like to say that everybody that has will and joy of be in the association is welcome as a member and a honor to the Association.
>     Second i would like to say that I really think that that "pre-memberships" was misunderstood. It's not something exclusive to you, but to all new members. I explain better.
>
>     The OpenMandriva Association has only one rule for accepting members that is effective contribution to the Association, the membership are verified by the Membership Committee that verifies the profile for each user and accepts or not it's application. When there is no evidence of contribution the member is accepted as the other with full powers except voting (to avoid "Trolls" and other fantastic animals :-))
>
>     In your particular case I don't see any problem in accepting you as "Full" Member, you have been a loyal user and contributor to discussions, translations and other initiatives, including a story of helping users around in the forum.
>
>     It's true that you have some difficulties expressing in English and that sometimes you are bit aggressive, so you have to correct that behavior. It's not a condition for OpenMandriva Association is a condition for a good relation in society, and I know you will do your best to be nice with all.
>
>     I have other conversations with you about your behavior and I know that you can understand my point of view, independent of who or what we must always keep our mind focused and be positive.
>
>     This said, and I think you have read the statuses, to be a member obliges us all to commitment, so I wish from the commitment you have always showed. any user that don't show commitment and behaves according to the Association values sees it's membership canceled.
>
>     thank you for your contact.
>
>     the best to you
>     João
>
>     p.s.: the past is the past so forget about Ferraris and try to be your best, and don't forget always think twice before writing and control your German "Horsepower" inside the hood.
>      
>     Até Breve,
>     João Azevedo Patrício
>     Quest-E: Serviços à medida (http://www.quest-e.com/) 'Take 2 seconds to think before you act.'
>     DE: Blackcrack <blackcrack@blackysgate.de>
>     Para: Raphaël Jadot <rj@xxxxxx>; kate@xxxxxxxx; Jean-Claude Vanier <jclvanier@xxxxxxxx>; João Azevedo Patrício <jofazepa@xxxxxxx>; Charles-H. Schulz <cschulz@xxxxxxx>; rugyada . <rugyada@xxxxxx>; Arvi Pingus (Flamic OMDV forum) <zwartij@xxxxxxxx>
>     Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 14, Fevereiro 2013 9:19:28
>     Assunto: Re: Membership
>
>     Hy Peoples,
>
>     that's an answer to the letter of a supplement Raffa
>     Which is the greater that I trust personally directed.
>     And to my frends on Openmandriva to say open words !
>
>     ( i work here together with google translater)
>
>     I sure would like to be member of OpenMandriva
>
>     to be a member on a shooting list or to have
>     at least 6 month of pre-membership before
>     being able to become a full membership ..
>
>     with this knowing, do you think, i have fun to
>     do any what for the for the club with fun and
>     free want to do with this knowing in the Head
>     to be do any what for not fly out as Member..
>     One of the Peoples who had say at start,
>     yes, i want stay for Mandriva, like it was and
>     in the future too.
>
>     In my opinion, should be a member or not be member !
>
>     an pre membership, testlist of Member or a shootinglist it is the same
>     if you are a member and you're actually there with heart on OpenMandriva
>     And have a eye on it to be all goes correctly and this in the last month .
>
>     believes you are not know that it is possible that you will slowly lose
>     the pleasure to be a member if stay on a shootinglist or some what ..
>
>     I have say at start, i make the Moderator in the Forum.
>     And, yes,  help so far i can do it ! And .... have fun for it !
>     this is include to have a look on peoples who want
>     be on OpenMandriva Foundation like in you are sence .
>     And not a Administrator or an Factoryowner, who think
>     he can help a lil bit ad can use this for
>     his commercial advertising at last if he say,
>     the Peoples be all stupid kids do noting understand of
>     the matter and his the only one of the big king if
>     Italien Horsepower by side of Ferrari  ? *s* (seen as a comparative)
>
>     No one say anything of it and have scare to be lost him,
>     the magician of the Provider.. but with one flaw , he can
>     not work in a Group and especially can not work in a Community
>     becouse he see only his self and his own opinions !
>     And at last its possibilities that he can pull it out afterwards.
>
>     some one say i be a Trouble -maker , it is they are not a trouble -maker too,
>     if they are see it is give troubles / trouble too .
>     it be trouble to be manage or deal with it, but who does it ? Who see it ?
>     All say only, it is a Troubles or Trouble maker ..
>     but who it is the real Trouble/Troubles -maker ?
>     Or who it is looking for to be all in the right way's be ,
>     and causes them to be mastered .
>     We are a community , his also means that we have to live with each other.
>     However, this will not work if there are two or three people
>     who are here with false preconditions and want to make his own thing .
>
>     there i be on it, i want to have a clean running Community who
>     have all, one direction, to build up the Community of Openmandriva
>     want stay for it to holt the Community together, the right Peoples
>     with the right direction, this direction who have we are all or should have
>     who be on the Community of OpenMandriva.
>
>     I be not a Troublemaker, i be the one who shows the Troubles
>     and who say open words. And i say only if gives troubles or try to mastering it,
>     if it is gives troubles !
>
>     So now , some people justify my pre-membership with troublemaker .
>     the second thing, i do noting for he community..
>     therewith i be on a shootinglist .
>
>     It is call for coming together Community nothing ?(at start on MIB ad MDV-Club)
>     it is call for come back noting, in various cases ..
>     it's want make a moderatorjob and so every day to
>     make a service in the forum for Openmandriva noting ?
>     I try to bring ideas and suggestions to Openmandriva.
>     i want trade OpenMandriva-CD's here in Germany,
>     do things for openmandriva in baground who other not things on it.
>     trade News on German Newsportal and I can help on german part
>     if it's so far stay in my might.
>     and it is also that I have a damn bad english !
>     that I can not directly defend it right.
>
>
>     In my Openinon it is a Member or not a Member..
>     Other see this other or... want see this other for whatever reasons always.
>
>     Now it's your decision, if you want to have me as a community, as a member.
>
>     but it is a bad feeling if i be a "Pre-Member"
>     but  i want help Openmandriva and not a Providerfactory and
>     not a other commercial device !
>
>     best regards
>     Blacky
>
>     You'r Openmandriva Frend .....
>
>     you see the Mailadresses.. i know !
>
>
>
>
>
>

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-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: 	Re: Membership
Datum: 	Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:32:28 +0100
Von: 	Raphaël Jadot <rj@xxxxxx>
An: 	rugyada . <rugyada@xxxxxxxx>,Blackcrack <blackcrack@xxxxxxx>
Kopie (CC): 	João Azevedo Patrício <jofazepa@xxxxxx>,"kate@xxxxxxxx" <kate@xxxxxxxx>,Jean-Claude Vanier <jclvanier@xxxxxxx>,"Charles-H. Schulz" <cschulz@xxxxxx>,"Arvi Pingus (Flamic OMDV forum)" <zwartij@xxxxxxx>,"joao.patricio@xxxxxx" <joao.patricio@xxxxxxx>,Jean-Manuel Croset COO Mandriva <jmcroset@xxxxxx>


Nowhere, just some peoplein the council had concerns with him being in the association because of bad reputation, and he may have been simply rejected by council, following the statutes. Personally, I'm for forgetting the past, and find that he is good willing and he already contributed by translation. So we found an idea of maybe add a rule where people can register and wait for six month from being a fully accepted member able to vote. I asked him what he think about the idea. At the beginning it was a private discussion about ideas for helping him being a member and accepted "smoothly" even by people who has concerns with him.


"rugyada ." <rugyada@xxxxxx> a écrit :

    2013/2/16 Blackcrack <blackcrack@blackysgate.de>:

        Hy,

        1. from Rafael :

        If you're still interested, please tell, so that we'll be able to to add
        you in the six-month pre-membership.



    I'm (still) a bit confused
    Where's this "six-month pre-membership" thing stated/explained?

    I made Italian translation of
    http://www.openmandriva.org/en/content/membership-subscriptions-open-and-extraordinary-general-meeting
    and I'm sure there is no mention of it, there.

    But, anyway, I think that there has been a kind of general
    misunderstanding. It may happens :)

    Please Blacky and others involved in misunderstanding, try to better
    clarify yourselves each others.

        [...]





-- 
Envoyé de mon téléphone Android avec K-9 Mail. Excusez la brièveté. 
in the end only remains for me to say,
looks that you come into the Counsil and can
decide for themselves correckt.

independent and any body each give a chance,
to be seen as he really is.
and not from a presumption and in the act a prediction to give.

the worst thing is that the council is hiding behind an e mail address
and not determined in this free fall.

and in the end, to say I want this, that I through the whole, I'm very quenched,
to help with fun with further.


But I say, go ahead! Stay tuned!

Fights for properness and not for inequality and bad reputation!

Looks that their replace throughout the Counsil, that each is given an equal change.
This OpenMandriva it is now your's / our's !!
Have a look for become a Member and become to the Counsil !

Because something is in my opinion one misdeed as that!


best regards you'r
Blacky

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