Kernel nrjQL 3.9.6 for ROSA 2012 2012.1 MDV2010 2011 cooker

[NicCo]

That's exact!

the problem CANT be in the 1> point, as kernel-nrj-laptop is 300Hz and kernel-nrj-netbok is 250Hz,
like the nrjQL that are clocked at the same freq

specific features from laptop and netbook are different (3>)
so the shtudown issue CANT be caused by some features in that long list numbered by me as 3>

2> The timers mode

DESKTOP
CONFIG_NO_HZ=n

LAPTOP
CONFIG_NO_HZ=y

nrjQL-desktop uses a Tickless mode = n (NO Tickless Kernel)
TIckless mode disabled gives more responsivness but uses more cpu, this a good value for a perfect Desktop and Multimedia PC
but no proper value for a portable PCs, I configured it as enabled only for laptop and netbook (they're configured with NO_HZ=y)

nrj-desktop, nrj-laptop, nrj-netbook, are all Tickless Mode on
CONFIG_NO_HZ=y

BFS scheduler suggest to disable Tickless the most of times,
so I'll try to disable Tickless for all nrjQL flavours in 3.9 series

because now I presume it might be a nasty problem of timer between > BFS vs Tickless (on)

I could prepare a testing kernel for You and Andreas, to test, I'll rebuild onlt the nrjQL-laptop
where I'll change the Tickless Mode to Off (CONFIG_NO_HZ=n)

I'll inform you here, when these kernels will be ready, I'll prepare a new testing folder in ABF,
please, stay tuned...

work in progress...

[viking]

That's exact!

the problem CANT be in the 1> point, as kernel-nrj-laptop is 300Hz and kernel-nrj-netbok is 250Hz,
like the nrjQL that are clocked at the same freq

specific features from laptop and netbook are different (3>)
so the shtudown issue CANT be caused by some features in that long list numbered by me as 3>

2> The timers mode

DESKTOP
CONFIG_NO_HZ=n

LAPTOP
CONFIG_NO_HZ=y

nrjQL-desktop uses a Tickless mode = n (NO Tickless Kernel)
TIckless mode disabled gives more responsivness but uses more cpu, this a good value for a perfect Desktop and Multimedia PC
but no proper value for a portable PCs, I configured it as enabled only for laptop and netbook (they're configured with NO_HZ=y)

nrj-desktop, nrj-laptop, nrj-netbook, are all Tickless Mode on
CONFIG_NO_HZ=y

BFS scheduler suggest to disable Tickless the most of times,
so I'll try to disable Tickless, because now I presume may be a problem between > BFS vs Tickless (ON)

I could prepare a testing kernel for You and Andreas, to test, I'll rebuild onlt the nrjQL-laptop
where I'll change the Tickless Mode to Off (CONFIG_NO_HZ=n)

I'll inform you here, when these kernels will be ready, I'll prepare a new testing folder in ABF,
please, stay tuned...

work in progress...

All you wrote here make sense, but I am confused why nrjQL-laptop in 32bit works fine?!

[NicCo]

All you wrote here make sense, but I am confused why nrjQL-laptop in 32bit works fine?!

Me too...

but our hardware are different, perhaps old hardware use timers differently...

Con Kolivas suggest to use the most possible the Tickless disabled, but I enabled in laptop and netbook to be more green
and upto kernel 3.8 we have had none problems with nrjQL-laptop whith those configs..., and in none tested hardware

I have followed his suggestions, from here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt

and from this table:
http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-c ... on-faq.txt

you can read, that he does not exclude to use TIckless for laptops..., he suggest to use Tickless, and so I've done...

Simple configuration suggestions for BFS:

Notebook / mobile device:
300 Hz
Tickless
Full preemption
CPU frequency scaling, ondemand default

it's not my fault...

[viking]

All you wrote here make sense, but I am confused why nrjQL-laptop in 32bit works fine?!

Me too...

but our hardware are different, perhaps old hardware use timers differently...

Con Kolivas suggest to use the most possible the Tickless disabled, but I enabled in laptop and netbook to be more green
and upto kernel 3.8 we have had none problems with nrjQL-laptop and that config..., and in none hardware

I have followed his suggestions, from here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt

and from this table:
http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-c ... on-faq.txt

you can read, that he does not exclude to use TIckless for laptops..., he suggest to use Tickless, and so I've done...

Simple configuration suggestions for BFS:

Notebook / mobile device:
300 Hz
Tickless
Full preemption
CPU frequency scaling, ondemand default

it's not my fault...

I am sure that this is not your fault.

To be honest, the only two things that keeps me returning to Mandriva and ROSA are your kernels and ROSA UI look. I would switch to Fedora or Ubuntu long time ago without MIB and your kernels!

Maybe there is a bug in BFS x64?

[NicCo]

it's not my fault...

I am sure that this is not your fault.

To be honest, the only two things that keeps me returning to Mandriva and ROSA are your kernels and ROSA UI look.
I would switch to Fedora or Ubuntu long time ago without MIB and your kernels!

Maybe there is a bug in BFS x64?

We can googling around...

I have found this link > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Linux-ck
but nothing about tickless suggestions with kernel 3.9 (v. ck1 430)

we can search also in his own blog > http://ck-hack.blogspot.it/


using this string to search:

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kernel 3.9 x86_64 shutdown issue with BFS

I've found and interesting link at 3rd place:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kern ... mments=all

Commento inviato da dieghen89
2013-05-17 08:41
I already built a 3.9* version (visit my github) but there's a bug during shutdown and reboot. If you're impatient clone the repo and build a version, now i'm at my uni apartment and my build pc is not here (i don't build on netbook). As soon as i can, i'll modify the tick rate, seems the problems hail from it.

Commento inviato da fear_hardcore
2010-12-15 14:04
Same problem here : kernel lock on suspend and shutdown with an Toshiba NB100.
you are not alone...

Commento inviato da ed0c
2010-12-12 13:27
@simongmzlj
Same issue for me on my asus 1005ha
-Kernel panic on shutdown
-Hibernate don't work anymore.
And this for the two last updates.

Commento inviato da vodik
2010-12-12 02:07
Wondering if anyone else has be noticing stability issues as of the last update? I get a kernel panic on every 3-4 suspend or shutdown on my HP Mini

now, I feel better...
and You are not alone

to me seems strange it could be HZ=300, as this is only a value of a counter,
I presume it's more probable ck1 39 is not full compatible with Tickless mode...

for me is not the "tick rate" but is the "tick mode"... to fix we'll try > NO_HZ=n

[viking]

I've found and interesting link at 3rd place:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kern ... mments=all

Commento inviato da dieghen89
2013-05-17 08:41
I already built a 3.9* version (visit my github) but there's a bug during shutdown and reboot. If you're impatient clone the repo and build a version, now i'm at my uni apartment and my build pc is not here (i don't build on netbook). As soon as i can, i'll modify the tick rate, seems the problems hail from it.

Commento inviato da fear_hardcore
2010-12-15 14:04
Same problem here : kernel lock on suspend and shutdown with an Toshiba NB100.
you are not alone...

Commento inviato da ed0c
2010-12-12 13:27
@simongmzlj
Same issue for me on my asus 1005ha
-Kernel panic on shutdown
-Hibernate don't work anymore.
And this for the two last updates.

Commento inviato da vodik
2010-12-12 02:07
Wondering if anyone else has be noticing stability issues as of the last update? I get a kernel panic on every 3-4 suspend or shutdown on my HP Mini

now, I feel better...
and You are not alone

to me seems strange it could be HZ=300, as this is only a value of a counter,
I presume it's more probable ck1 39 is not full compatible with Tickless mode...

for me is not the "tick rate" but is the "tick mode"... to fix we'll try > NO_HZ=n

Look what I have found:

The tick rate has been increase from 300 Hz (Arch default) to 1k Hz to avoid interactions with the scheduler and the ability of the 3.9.x kernel to reboot and shutdown. For more on this evolving issue, see this entry in ck's blog and the Arch bug report linked therein.

[NicCo]

Look what I have found:

The tick rate has been increase from 300 Hz (Arch default) to 1k Hz to avoid interactions with the scheduler and the ability of the 3.9.x kernel to reboot and shutdown. For more on this evolving issue, see this entry in ck's blog and the Arch bug report linked therein.

Using 1000Hz for a laptop flavour is about the same to use a desktop flavour...
for me configuring the laptop to 1000HZ is not smart move, it has none sense

I've prepared different flavours for these reasons, others have only 1 flavour...

we know that 250Hz and 300Hz have the issue, so I fear the server has 100Hz
we must maintain these freqs but we may try to change the tick mode

I've read the link you sent me, and seems NO_HZ = n might resolve the issue

I hope that tomorrow I can prepare a kernel for your testing, if I have the time.

[viking]

I just installed 32bit version of ROSA FRESH R1 and 3.9.6-nrjQL-laptop kernel on same Dell laptop.

Results are same as in 64bit version. It hangs at reboot and shutdown!

Since it works fine on your laptop, looks like it is hardware dependant problem.

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[viking@delta ~]$ uname -a
Linux delta 3.9.6-nrjQL-laptop-69rosa #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 15 18:28:11 MSK 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[viking@delta ~]$ inxi -F
System:    Host: delta Kernel: 3.9.6-nrjQL-laptop-69rosa i686 (32 bit) 
           Desktop KDE 4.10.4 Distro: RosaDesktop.Fresh 2012.1 belka
Machine:   Mobo: Dell model: 0KHTJH version: A06 Bios: Dell version: A06 date: 03/03/2011
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3 CPU U 380 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 665.00 MHz 2: 1330.00 MHz 3: 665.00 MHz 4: 665.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller 
           X.Org: 1.13.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1366x768@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 9.0.1
Audio:     Card: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.9.6-nrjQL-laptop-69rosa
Network:   Card-1: Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver: ath9k 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 90:00:4e:00:dc:db
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller driver: r8169 
           IF: eth0 state: down speed: 10 Mbps duplex: half mac: f0:4d:a2:d4:14:39
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (80.1% used) 1: /dev/sda ST9320423AS 320.1GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 40G used: 5.2G (14%) fs: rootfs ID: / size: 40G used: 5.2G (14%) fs: ext4 
           ID: swap-1 size: 8.59GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 57.5C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 175 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 366.3/2965.1MB Client: Shell inxi: 1.7.24 

edit: I made Clonezilla image so I can I restore this system for additional tests if needed.

[NicCo]

@ Andreas and Viking
I'm sending to ABF release 69.2 with the intentions to discover the culprit of missing shutdown in flavours nrjQL-laptop & nrjQL-netbook
The destination folder for the new testing release will be not the usual 39x, but >>> http://abf-downloads.rosalinux.ru/nicco_personal/

To verify the build status and rpms availability >>> https://abf.rosalinux.ru/nicco/Kernel-3 ... uild_lists

I ask the following test: 4 different flavours to install and test: desktop, laptop, netbook, server
Expected results are: laptop and netbook WOULD shutdown, while desktop and server will DON'T

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%changelog

* Tue Jun 18 2013 Nicolo' Costanza <abitrules@yahoo.it> 3.9.6-69.2
+ update to 3.9.6 stable
- update BFQ to v6r2
- test version to duplicate and discover the reason for which it can not
- shutdown PC (with freezing) in so many laptop pcs: laptop/netbook
- I want to verify my suspects on Tickless mode, and so I'm changing:
- nrjQL-laptop and nrjQL-netbook from Tickeless=Y to N (NO_HZ=N)
- nrjQL-desktop from Tickless=N to Y (now is NO_HZ=Y)
- If Im right laptop and netbook will shutdown fine, nrjQL-desktop not
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- Kernel 3.9 for mdv 2010.2, 2011.0, cooker, rosa.lts2012.0, rosa2012.1
- MIB (Mandriva International Backports) - http://mib.pianetalinux.org/
- The rel -1 (mainline serie), with official kernel sources and addons,
- instead (-69) will be used for development and experimental flavours,
- Yin & Yang (69) release - a very complete but experimental flavours...
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

bye, NicCo

[viking]

@ Andreas and Viking
I'm sending to ABF release 69.2 with the intentions to discover the culprit of missing shutdown in flavours nrjQL-laptop & nrjQL-netbook
The destination folder for the new testing release will be not the usual 39x, but >>> http://abf-downloads.rosalinux.ru/kerne ... _personal/

To verify the build status and rpms availability >>> https://abf.rosalinux.ru/nicco/Kernel-3 ... uild_lists

I ask the following test: 4 different flavours to install and test: desktop, laptop, netbook, server
Expected results are: laptop and netbook will shutdown, while desktop and server will NOT

bye, NicCo

Looks like those will be ready around midnight. I will try to test them then.

[NicCo]

@ Andreas and Viking
I'm sending to ABF release 69.2 with the intentions to discover the culprit of missing shutdown in flavours nrjQL-laptop & nrjQL-netbook
The destination folder for the new testing release will be not the usual 39x, but >>> http://abf-downloads.rosalinux.ru/kerne ... _personal/

To verify the build status and rpms availability >>> https://abf.rosalinux.ru/nicco/Kernel-3 ... uild_lists

I ask the following test: 4 different flavours to install and test: desktop, laptop, netbook, server
Expected results are: laptop and netbook will shutdown, while desktop and server will NOT

bye, NicCo

Looks like those will be ready around midnight. I will try to test them then.

Above, I wrote a wrong link, the rpm will be inside:
http://abf-downloads.rosalinux.ru/nicco_personal/

(i believed to have forked into kernels_experiments, while really files are building for nicco_personal)

[viking]

Above, I wrote a wrong link, the rpm will be inside:
http://abf-downloads.rosalinux.ru/nicco_personal/

(i believed to have forked into kernels_experiments, while really files are building for nicco_personal)

Are you sure that you set this build correctly?

Build has been published
Built in 1 h. 51 min.

In http://abf-downloads.rosalinux.ru/nicco ... n/release/
I only see kernel-nrjQL-desktop

[NicCo]

In http://abf-downloads.rosalinux.ru/nicco ... n/release/
I only see kernel-nrjQL-desktop

by my mistake, I forgot to enable the other flavours apart desktop, now I fixed and I've sent again to rebuild all the 4 flavours

In the meanwhile you can install and test nrjQL-desktop: this is tickless now, so in my opinion, there should be NO shutdown:
from this test we can already realize the first confirmation

when the new build tasks will be completed wil be late, you can try tomorrow morning, you'll test laptop, netbook and server

[viking]

In http://abf-downloads.rosalinux.ru/nicco ... n/release/
I only see kernel-nrjQL-desktop

by my mistake, I forgot to enable the other flavours apart desktop, now I fixed and I've sent again to rebuild all the 4 flavours

In the meanwhile you can install and test nrjQL-desktop: this is tickless now, so in my opinion, there should be NO shutdown:
from this test we can already realize the first confirmation

when the new build tasks will be completed wil be late, you can try tomorrow morning, you'll test laptop, netbook and server

Interesting...

This one works just fine!!

Looks like 1000 Hz resolve problem as stated in post I found yesterday.

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[viking@delta ~]$ inxi -F
System:    Host: delta Kernel: 3.9.6-nrjQL-desktop-69.2rosa x86_64 (64 bit) 
           Desktop KDE 4.10.4 Distro: RosaDesktop.Fresh 2012.1 belka
Machine:   Mobo: Dell model: 0KHTJH version: A06 Bios: Dell version: A06 date: 03/03/2011
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i3 CPU U 380 (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) 
           Clock Speeds: 1: 665.00 MHz 2: 1330.00 MHz 3: 665.00 MHz 4: 665.00 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller 
           X.Org: 1.13.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1366x768@60.0hz 
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Mobile GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 9.0.1
Audio:     Card: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture ver: k3.9.6-nrjQL-desktop-69.2rosa
Network:   Card-1: Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver: ath9k 
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 90:00:4e:00:dc:db
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller driver: r8169 
           IF: eth0 state: down speed: 10 Mbps duplex: half mac: f0:4d:a2:d4:14:39
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (79.9% used) 1: /dev/sda ST9320423AS 320.1GB 
Partition: ID: / size: 40G used: 6.8G (19%) fs: rootfs ID: / size: 40G used: 6.8G (19%) fs: ext4 
           ID: swap-1 size: 8.59GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 59.5C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 176 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 573.2/3756.4MB Client: Shell inxi: 1.7.24 

[NicCo]

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This one works just fine!!

Looks like 1000 Hz resolve problem as stated in post I found yesterday.

now we know that with 1000 Hz , like in desktop it works fine with Tickless Mode =0 and =1,
this feature does not harm the shutdown when HZ=1000

at lower frequences like 250Hz (netbook) and 300Hz (laptop) things maybe rather different:
perhaps with Tickless = 1 > shtutdown is KO and with TIckless = 0 > shutdown could be OK