Mandriva 2011: main problems to be fixed before release!

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Mandriva 2011: main problems to be fixed before release!

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Mandriva 2011: main problems to be fixed before release!

This text will be send to Mandriva executives, hoping it'll be taken in the right consideration!
We received all official answers : read here!

Table of Contents
* 1) Installer
* 2) Memory requirements
* 3) Akonadi
* 4) KDE status
* 5) Hybrid Graphics support
* 6) Gnome Community Edition



1> Installer:
it seems really in a very bad shape...
I full must agree with Dwight Paige, here:
http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2011-07/msg00144.php

It's absolutely needed a "Free" and "PWP" DVD version like 2010.2
With new live format we need over one hour for a basic (bad) install...
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2> Memory requirements:
I full must agree with Sylvain Zucca, here:
http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2011-07/msg00128.php

and so,
We can use Windows Seven with 1024 Mega
We can use Mac OSX 10.6.x with 1024 Mega
but
We can't use Mandriva 2011 with 1024 Mega
at least we need 1536M (1.5Gb) just to be usable?

With 1024M we need more than 10 minutes to start live mode, then the OS is rather unusable...

I failed to understand why rosa stuff should use 512M or more...
when icon based OSes like Android should work even with 256/512M

In this way Mandriva will succeed to ship the most memory hungry OS

I heard that MDV 2011 is planned to target for 512 Mb RAM PC as minimum requirements,
and so:
or they should rewrite all rosa stuff to be much lighter,
or they should find a way where at the very first boot stage we can
choose between two different UI:
  • KDE default mode (for old PC with less than 1 Gb ram)
  • Mandriva Rosa mode (for recent PC with more than 1G ram)
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3> Akonadi:
Personally I'd also suggest to turn off akonadi support by default,
if it's possible. Looks like akonadi eats up to 200 mb system RAM!
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4> KDE status
kde 4.6.4 has a lot problems and regressions
try to fixing it in newer kde 4.6.5 not in 4.6.4
(If they want to release 2011 with KDE 4.6, it should be the
latest - 4.6.5. With as many regressions fixed as possible!)
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5> Hybrid Graphics:
As I previously discussed here
http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib/forum/v ... 295#p16295
I hope they are reconsidering that important thing, doing something
and for that reason I hope they switch to kernel 3.0 for next weeks!
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6> Gnome "Community Edition" Iso only unofficial support:
Take care or find those who do, at least for this last time, a DVD edition with Gnome,
although it could be classified as a "Community Edition" and not officially supported:
This is a very important point, because 50% of users still prefer Mandriva with Gnome
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Re: Mandriva 2011: main problems to be fixed before release!

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Totally agree!. This consumes lots of memory ¬ ¬.
Kubuntu 4.11 which is usually heavier than other distros, VirtualBox runs perfectly, 600/700Mb, whereas mandriva 2011 on the same conditions "drag", spend a few minutes while it sees how the panel is formed =(

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GNOME CALL TO POWER :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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We received already all answers from Mandriva executives,
we thank them all for their consideration and rapid answers!
Their answers are to be considered as very satisfactory


from
Denis Koryavov, ROSA Laboratory. - http://www.rosalab.ru

About
2) Memory requirements
NicCo wrote:> or they should rewrite all rosa stuff to be much lighter
Denis Koryavov wrote: I disagree. ROSA's stuff works perfectly on the 512 MB of RAM.
So the guilty for problem 2) must be elsewhere! Perhaps in some service or Akonadi and KDE related

in Mandriva ML he also suggested an interesting reading
http://kate-editor.org/2011/07/10/kde-4 ... arcraft-2/

We apologize to Rosalab for having thought that it could be the cause, the culprit seems something in KDE!

We at MIB (with all our sincerity):
- We like much the new Mandriva Desktop UI (all rosa stuff),
and we'll spread, as we can, our opinions to all community!





from
Arnaud LAPREVOTE - management board president - Mandriva
Laprévote Arnaud wrote:Hello to all,

We are looking at each item carefully. All are concerns for us, memory,
installer status, kde status, ...

Concerning the hybrid graphics support, well this may take a little time
to get, so for the release difficult to promise anything. However, they
will 2011.1, .2, .3 ... with incremental improvement such as that. Maybe
it will be at this time.

I absolutely agree for the gnome edition. It would be nice to have a
community edition.

Regards,

Arnaud
Good News: Here there's no need to add more!



from
Eugeni Dodonov - Release Engineer for Mandriva Desktop 2011
Eugeni Dodonov wrote:Thanks!

I also CC Paulo Belloni for Conectiva team!

--
Eugeni Dodonov

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Re: Mandriva 2011: main problems to be fixed before release!

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scusa Nicco, un piccolo riassunto della situazione in Italiano per i non anglofoni ?

Molte grazie!
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tobal wrote:GNOME CALL TO POWER :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
agree but only with mac4lin smooth work m8.... :!: :!: :!:
http://www.mandrivausers.ro/ MRB aint no shit , :p Linux user number 507107 Nu dați banii pe prostii, puneți Linux pe PISI !

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Re: Mandriva 2011: main problems to be fixed before release!

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KDE 4.6.5 for 2011

The point 4>
MIB wrote: 4> KDE status
kde 4.6.4 has a lot problems and regressions try to fixing it in newer kde 4.6.5 not in 4.6.4
that has been confirmed as concerns by Laprévote Arnaud, KDE 4.6.5 incoming now
Laprévote Arnaud wrote:We are looking at each item carefully. All are concerns for us, memory,
installer status, kde status, ...
Very good, hoping without most bugs...
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WIth new KDE 4.6.5

Code: Select all

smb:/

now is back to work!


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We don't like too such a crippled Dolphin!

Discussion:
http://mandriva.598463.n5.nabble.com/Co ... 84912.html

there's already a much animated discussion, so we don't need here other discussions about the same argument,

also in italian forum, there is an animated discussion:
Dolphin + RosaLab: a me non piace
http://www.it-mandriva.org/dolphin-rosa ... html#p5098


we can only say, yes, again
We don't like too such a crippled Dolphin!



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I made a poll in Mandriva forum:
http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic. ... 5&t=135367

Which Dolphin menubar do you like?
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verg wrote:My temporary solution :mrgreen: :lol:
http://i022.radikal.ru/1107/7b/96795530d164.png
ROTFL :lol: :lol: :lol: MIB repos as a panacea...

You installed dolphin 4.5.5 for 2010.2 onto KDE 4.6.5 for 2011, and it works???
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Yea works fine.
installation without errors :lol:

thanks MiB and mikala :mrgreen:

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Xorg Server 1.10.2 > 1.0.3

link:
http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic. ... 07#p848264

Non so mai se riusciremo ad avere il kernel 3.0 su 2011, di cui come potete leggere se ne dovrebbe occupare franck bui, ma almeno l'ultimo server grafico stabile, quello sì, sono risucito a farvelo ottenere.

Di sicuro se non si 2011, su cooker/2012 adessero dovrebbero puntare dritti su kernel 3.0.X, dopo tutte le sollecitazioni, sia pubbliche che private.

N.B. Ad onor del vero, non era la prima volta che avevo chiesto l'updgrade a xorg server 1.10.3.


P.S Un'altra cosa che mi sono reso conto mancare, è il naturale update da Mozilla Tunderbird 3.x alla versione 5.0:
essendo tra l'ltro uno dei programmi di defaul presenti sulla barra di rosa, come predefnito u 2011, avere ancora il 3.x, non più supportato...
Anche cups 1.4.8 (oppure cups 1.5.0) che risolvono problemi di network come segnalato > http://www.it-mandriva.org/m1212nf-mfp- ... html#p5206

Se qualcuno, preferirei non me, può fare segnalazione...
  • Thunderbird 5.0
  • CUPS

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